Entrevista concedida al diario español El Pais ayer
Su padre, abogado burgués y comunista, lo llamó Ilich Ramírez Sánchez cuando Born in Venezuela 59 years ago. His mother, Catholic and conservative, preferring baptize as Carlos. The police, based on a novel of the time, was nicknamed the Jackal. Thus passed into history: Carlos the Jackal. In the seventies became the most wanted man in the world with over 52 different names in more than 100 passports. He left behind a trail of 80 deaths, according to the French Interior Ministry.
spent part of her adolescence in London, where simultaneous adherence to communism with the festivities at full speed millionaires paid by Arab sheiks. Studied at Union University Soviet. There he met members of the Palestinian resistance. Joined them. Jordanian army fought against the so-called Black September. He was 21. From there he returned back to London parties, which had become chief of terrorists. Murders attributed to him at gunpoint, bombings in shops in central Paris, on trains, planting car bombs ... Kidnapped in 1975, led five other terrorists, an entire meeting in Vienna of OPEC took 60 people hostage, among whom were 11 ministers. One of these was defined as a type equipped with an unprecedented mental capacity to perform under pressure.
a Communist is said 1964, professed Islam, but was neither spartan nor austere nor poor, always spent dandy airs (even in prison, where he is a cashmere coat.) "Dressing decently is a matter of class background, mate. There is no denying that the origins of each," he says.
For over 20 years of undercover jumped from country to country, from Yemen to Uganda, from Syria to Algeria, Libya's Gaddafi to Ceausescu's Romania, until he was arrested early one morning in August of 1994 while sleeping in a urbanization on the outskirts of Khartoum (Sudan), sold by the Sudanese authorities to the famous French superspy Philippe Rondot. Since then languishes in a French prison, where he says, "abounds mediocrity." He was sentenced to life imprisonment for murdering in cold blood in a Paris apartment in August 1974 by three bullets, after inviting them to drink, two French police inspectors and a senior fellow Lebanese terrorist, as Carlos, had betrayed . Agreed to speak to the country by telephone from jail.
Question. Why do you say that there is much mediocrity in jail?
Response. Because there are many illiterate. People here have no intellectual interests, it is difficult to comment on a news sit. The interest of many is simply smoke drugs and stuff.
P. What do you do?
R. try to help my attorneys and I follow the news as best I can, in the television channels I receive. One of them is English, Telemadrid, which is bad, by the way: there I saw the other day to Fernando Silva Sande [former head of GRAPO], the warning that, and I was sad. And read.
P. Are you aware that you can die in prison?
R. The life sentence means nothing. It is a political problem.
P. Have they changed their policy ideas?
R. Ah, sir! I at age 14 in January 1964, I joined the Communist Youth of Venezuela. And to this day have not changed a hair. I'm still communist. I'm not a dogmatic, I studied, I met people on the direction of communist countries. I remain faithful to the Leninist principles immanent: I am a convinced communist and militant.
P. And he still defends the use of arms?
R. According to the joint. In certain situations. As in Colombia, these days. Or in Afghanistan: that is legitimate.
P. I talked about terrorism.
R. ¿Qué pasa con el terrorismo? Yo siempre he estado contra el terrorismo. Cuando se bombardea en Afganistán, eso es terrorismo.
P. Yo me refería a usted: ha sido considerado el terrorista más buscado del mundo.
R. Le voy a decir una cuestión: yo fui condenado por asesinato culposo, no premeditado. No por terrorista. O sea, acusarme de terrorismo es una patraña, como llamarme El Chacal.
P. ¿Qué quiere decir?
R. La policía inglesa encontró esa novela de Frederic Forsyth encima de la chimenea de la casa de una muchacha que decían que era amiga mía y que tenía pistolas and so on. I have the record of operations performed by the Palestinian resistance. I'm not saying run or planned, executed. In person. No transactions executed over me. And I'm proud of it. And he treats me like a jackal.
P. How many are there?
R. I do not know: much, boy.
P. These operations, such as your name, bringing in blood and victims.
R. Yeah, right. But few, very few innocent victims: 10% of the casualties. The 10% is nothing, my brother. Yasser Arafat addressed the UN and went with an olive branch in one hand and a rifle in the other. I have no nothing to add to that.
P. When a person decides to kill another by a notion that fair?
R. How fair? And how many people have been killed by the English in Iraq? How many Afghans are killed daily? How many? Does not that bother you? Fight that is glorious and heroic.
P. Do not you regret anything?
R. Repentance is a religious concept. I'm not saying you have never sinned. But in the revolutionary militancy, no. One is a womanizer, likes to drink sugar cane, rum, wine, and now that I am a Muslim, you should not do it: Indeed, not because I am a prisoner.
P. How it all began? With the example of his father?
R. In Venezuela, I was responsible for the Young Communist League with 200 militants under my orders. My father did not agree with violence, was a lawyer, saw the seizure of power otherwise.
P. When you decide to take up arms?
R. You do not decide, my brother, are the circumstances that decide. At that time, one is thrown back or continue forward. Those who sit in a cafe and decide to do this or have no future. The historical circumstances are they decide.
P. But what was that moment for you?
R. In 1971, after Black September fighting against the Jordanian army, a general said, "Boy, I need abroad." I had already fought with Jordanian soldiers who hear me, were some brave guys, good fighters, with guts, who believed in their king, Hussein, who was a guy not like those little king of operetta, was a king to take up arms , was no fool. So they told me to go to London and thus began international issues.
P. What next?
R. I traveled a lot. But that was nothing new to me. I knew almost all the communist countries.
P. What thought when I read that it was the world's most wanted terrorist?
R. Well, sometimes I was laughing. Because I knew you had good pictures of me and put photos crooked.
P. Ever had hesitated to see innocent victims?
R. When operations with explosions, bombs, fire, that sort of thing, sometimes people who have nothing to do and go out there, I said, it is 10%.
P. In an interview in the newspaper Al Watan in 1979, you recognized a series of attacks ...
R. This interview was made in good faith, but was manipulated, full of errors.
P. Do not assume so ...
R. Look, brother, I'll tell you one thing: 90% of the things that I did not mention chief executive ever.
P. Why?
R. will have their reasons. All will be known at the time. When you publish my memoirs. It is still early. I wrote in November 1992 in Amman, and made two typed copies I sent to two people who do not know. Even is not the time. I'm not going to put a frog, which is like in Venezuela call the cookies now. There are heads of state are involved, even in France.
P. What was involved?
R. Man, I do not sneak on myself. If we were having a coffee or a guaraquita the edge of the pool, in Caracas, we could talk more freely, no doubt. But in these conditions, you can understand ...
P. He is accused of working after vulgar mercenary, especially in Romania under Ceausescu.
R. I had love and respect for Ceausescu. It was a poorly lit a type of the mountain, coming from a very poor family. Great patriot, very supportive. We received a very warm. We were there with all the honors housing, means to travel, but did not receive a penny from these people. I say: all attacks against Romanian exiles were made by police, while Ceausescu was still alive. Because, posts to be mercenaries, what the hell to work for Romania, the U.S. would have worked! Do you think I could tell my colleagues, "Hey, let's kill the teacher that the journalist or that" because we sent him Ceausescu? I would spit in the face. We do not ask for money: it demanded. States paid millions of dollars, and I am proud to have played a role in this fundamental issue. And not only states "friends" in quotation marks, but enemy states, and paid. The French got paid five million dollars, yes, I was in Algiers in 1976, an Air France plane that we get to Entebbe Airport, Uganda. Everyone pays, brother.
P. How does to hijack a plane?
R. I have never personally hijacked planes. I am innocent, my brother. In any case, not a technical issue.
P. How arrested him?
R. One night, after I had a groin operation in a residential area near the Blue Nile, at two in the morning, took a lieutenant of the guard Sudanese hysterical with a group of armed guards crying. One said: "We have orders, commander." They did not know how maniac with those strips of plastic that had given the French. I explained it to me. Even so, they made a mis-pod. They put a hood and took me to the airport. There was Rondot.
P. How Rondot located?
R. I do not located Rondot. Sudanese security informed the CIA. The types of the CIA made us many pictures several times. Do not cast lead because we were in a friendly country. The Saudis paid with their petrodollars to the Khartoum government.
P. What about Bin Laden?
R. There are many children of those Arabs who are the most corrupt, heirs, who live only rich in shamelessness and drugs. And this boy, a son of a rich Arab, is an idealist, did jihad. Respect for these people.
P. devised and inspired the September 11 and 11 March ...
R. are two different things.
P. Two attacks
R. not mix things. To me what the 11-M made me sad.
P. And the 11-S not?
R. In the 11-S I fell in the ass, as you say.
P. How?
R. One day I turned on the TV and saw the pod of the tower, and suddenly the other plane and the other tower, and sat on the bed of the cell and said "Allahu akbar, was a special blow against imperialism.
P. These towers were full of innocent people ...
R. A fraction of people who have murdered Americans in the Middle East!
P. That same thought those who attacked trains in Madrid.
R. There is a difference: the people who were on the trains had nothing to do with the aggression of the armies. There are other places where one could attack and kill some aristocratic, bourgeois, without killing innocent people circulating around, including many Muslims. I get the feeling that they lacked experience ...
P. At the trial in Paris said: "Even the most heinous criminal can be converted. Except for the extreme case of the monster, everyone can be corrected."
R. Did I say that?
P. Yes Did you mean yourself?
R. No, I'm not a monster. I am very human. JIMENEZ ANTONIO BARCA
(interview published in the English newspaper El Pais)
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